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TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby NAG » Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:03 am

Had the opportunity to try out some new demo gear back to back over the weekend, nobody has said anything much yet, so here goes :wink:

Summary: I want to replace my 8m Taboo with the new 8TS. This is what I wished last year's kite was like. It's now got what was missing. But what happened to the 10TS? It's seems so different in the turn compared to last years. For me it's been slowed down too much. Ok, perhaps now it has more mass market appeal and is less technical to fly with more low end (but was the 2010 10T that hard?), but I'll pass on that size this year.

I regularly use a 2010 Taboo 10 & 8. I prefer a smaller kite when surfing, using the wave's power rather then get dragged around majorly powered. The 2010 Taboos are nice kites, especially in waves and unhooking, but for me they completely run out of power in the bottom end, even when worked hard. Once they do get going, the feel of the Taboos is awesome (see past reviews for that), but it's a bit of a nightmare if you get a lull and need a bit of juice. That seems to happen more often since I got the Taboos (ie I started to really notice it). So I've been keen to try out the 2011 and see what's changed.

Conditions: gusty 18-25 kts levante, pretty flat with a small wind swell.

Cruised over to the test area on my '10 K 7.5 with my trusty f-1 5'10", 75Kg. No hassles, nicely in the power zone.

The 8 TS was out so I picked up the 10TS. I was concerned that the wind was a bit high for that size on my surfboard, but as with the 2010, these things just eat up the wind nice and smoothly. This kite was on 25m lines and 50cm bar (I fly my 10 T on 22m a 50cm, so it's a pretty similar setup).

First impressions: great range, no dramas with gusts, very smooth and refined handling, generates power easily. This will be an easier kite for beginners then the 2010. It jumps noticeably better then the 2010, you can get good air without having to really flick it. The downside... it's noticeably slower turning. S-L-O-W-E-R then the 2010, and this on the fastest rear setting. It would be great for twin tip freestyle but I don't want it in waves. It just was taking too long to come round, even really pulling the bar. Maybe a 55cm would help. Last year's 8T and 10T were pretty similar, the 10 was just a bit slower. I know the lines on the 10TS were 25m, but I've had extensions on my 2010 10T enough times - the 10 TS is not the same. Not for me :sad:

Came back to the beach. The 8 TS was still out, so I picked up a new North 9m 2012 Rebel just to compare. I've heard a load of positive stuff about the new rebels, there it was, so might as well try it, eh? Not a bad kite at all. In fact, very nice. It has a weird angular look this year. Good power, nice jumps, smooth. Turns a lot faster then the 10TS (sorry guys). The 'numb' mass market will kite this kite, it's very refined. But the biggest problem for me is there's no bar feedback. It's not just that the bar is very light (it is), but you can't accurately tell where the kite is, so you keep needing to look at it to get a sure fix. Not bad at all, but not for me.

Now for the 8TS. This kite was on 20m lines and a 45cm bar. A bit apprehensive after my disappointment with the 10m, and on top of that the wind was going down. My 8 T would be struggling a bit in these conditions.

Wow, what a difference from the 10TS. This baby MOVES. I immediately felt completely at home on it, the general characteristics are almost identical to the old Taboo in terms of general handling, flick-ability, turn speed. The big difference is it generates a noticeable amount of extra low end - I had no hassles getting the juice I needed by flying it around, it's a lot better then the 2010. It hasn't got the 7.5 Kahoona low end, but maybe it's more like a 6.5->7 K would be, rather then a 6->6.5 as the Taboo is. And, like the 10 TS, it's a better jumper then the previous year. Sweet!

The big question for me is: is the 9TS like the 8 or the 10????

BTW, the new GP is amazing, super connected and responsive feel. But that's for another review.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby reverse777 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:14 am

Nice review Nag.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby enoshima5 » Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:36 pm

Slow?... Not good news. Speed is what I loved about the 2010 10m Taboo.

Can anyone confirm this? Is this a characteristic carried over all the kites from 10m up?
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby cowboy54 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:16 am

just flew the 10m TS a couple of times over the weekend, and first impression was that it was way slower. However yesterday I had a crack on my Taboo back to back with the TS.

Slightly slower but not massively. I like the difference here as before there where times the Taboo was quicker than I wanted. Get a go on it and within 15mins you wont care about the slight difference
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby NAG » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:29 am

I'm wondering if a 7 / 9 TS combo is better then a 8 / 10 Taboo combo for waves in windier conditions, with a larger kite for light wind.

The 10TS has better low end now, but I'd still want a larger kite - it hasn't got enough to be my largest kite. So, if you are going to get a 12 or larger, maybe the 7 / 9 combo will complement this better?

Anyone?

I'm hoping these sizes are going to be available to try out at the dealer meet here later this week. The wind conditions next weekend look like they'll be perfect for 7/8/9/10 sized kites...
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby sq225917 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:46 am

The 10m was reworked significantly to improve the handling unhooked and the stability, that trade off is a little loss of turn in speed, it still comes round about the same.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby pumpnjump » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:01 am

Out on the 8m TS the past couple of days, Nag is pretty much spot on, noticeable increase in bar pressure, much more bottom end, definitely lower usable top end, by that where I would use the 8m Taboo in waves up to high 20s knots, the 8 TS is hauling me with too much power through the turn. Out today with the TS and 7.5 V4 Kahoona, very close power wise a little more top end stability in the TS, lighter bar on the Kahoona and less feedback for gusts. I'm thinking the 7m TS will be the kite to replace the 8m Taboo. Jumping wise the TS hauls you off the water like a nemi and for me is a much better freeride kite, can't wait to try the 7m TS. Winds today 22 knots gusting to 27 knots 75kg rider.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby reverse777 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:06 am

Hey Pumpnjump n Nag !!

So whats your prediction for a dream 3 kite quiver ( TS - Kahoona V4 combo) .

14 - 30knots+ on a surfboard and maybe a bit of freestyling thrown in there on a TT.

This year I am feeling slightly confusered and since you guys have had the chance to be riding these kites.( I weigh 72kgs ) :rolleyes:
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby pumpnjump » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:47 am

Thats a difficult one, for me predominantly in waves I leaning towards a 9.5 Kahoona, 5.5 and 7m TS, that will cover me 14 to high 30s knots, got to be thinking this years 7m TS is last years 8 Taboo. I would have gone 10 TS but bar pressure is everything to me for long sessions and the daily kiting we get here throughout the summer. If I wanted a kite for light winds on the twin tip for freeride the 11.5 V4 Kahoona would be hard to beat, I am very impressed with that.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby NAG » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:48 pm

I agree with pump & jump. For me the 5.5 Taboo was a super high wind kite only, over 30kts to infinity basically.

I'M looking at a 7 and 9 TS to replace my 8 and 10 Taboo, but I'M waiting to hear about that 9, it needs to be liked the 8TS, not the 10, which is more of a freestyle kite rather then wave kite IMO. This combo will work for all medium to high wind for me, say 16 to 40kts.

I feel the same about the v3 11.5m kahoona, that is an awesome kite (as is the 9.5), I don't intend to change it this year.

Am looking forward to getting more jumping performance out of the TS too!
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby sq225917 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:12 am

The TS is a way better jumper than last year, more low end, a touch more bar pressure and a little less up top but the feel unhooked is simply out there, anything under a 10m rocks it unhooked on the waves.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby enoshima5 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:57 am

Simon: is there a huge difference between the 12, 14 & 15 with regard lowend performance?

I am looking for lightwind performance in a not too overwhelming package. I fear a 15m may be huge. In the past I did not get much lowend benefit from a 15m Waroo over a 13m Waroo, and the 13m was way more nimble and it could handle gusts better. But the Taboo is a different concept, so again my question: will I really gain on the low end between the 14m and 15m?
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby sq225917 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:15 pm

The 15m is my low end kite, the 14m is just a big kite in comparison. Whether the difference in low end is worth the difference in size and cost I can't say. I actually haven't flown 14m and 15m back to back.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby enoshima5 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:33 pm

I see... I think I know what you mean when you say the 14 is a big kite: not what I am looking for. As a suggestion, Best may want to offer a 13m TS with the lightwind design of the 15 & 17, for those light-weight riders looking for a lightwind kite that is not too imposing.
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Re: TS vs Taboo - 10m & 8m

Postby reverse777 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:32 am

2012 RLP Bar size for 7mt TS in waves on a surfboard ? 47 or 52cm bar ?

On the 8mt taboo was using a 2011 50cm bar .

Has anyone tried or tested the above ?

Thanks in advance .
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