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nemi 14 vs waroo 17

Postby inferno » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:28 am

would i loose anything going from a 17m waroo to the 14m nemi?

im 200lbs, and in st pete fl light wind riding is a big deal, summertime is 80% 10mph days, on flat water without tide i can have a decent session in 10mph on my big board...

will the nemi be able to hang?????
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Postby bleighty » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:51 am

Danny.. what what your impressions of the Era 14m you recently demo'd against your 17m waroo?

I just dont see how any true 14m kite could replace a 17m waroo in as far as milking out as much low end as possible.

for the fun-factor tho.. different story of course.

(reason i say "true" 14m kite is due to the photos on Extreme Kites forum showing the differences between the 14m Era vs 15m HT..one of those kites are mis-sized)
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Postby Alex @ Best » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:48 am

Based on testing here, the 14m Nemi kicks the 17m Waroo's butt on both absolute low end and fun factor low end. It's an amazing kite.

For me @ 190 lbs, my quiver is all the HP's (7, 9, 10, 12 & 14) and a 2008 20m Waroo for the 8-10 mph days in the Bahamas when I'm bored...
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Postby inferno » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:56 am

any chance we could get a demo 14m here in st pete when they are ready.....

we are a light wind capital here, the average rider spends about 80% of kiting funds on their 8-16mph gear, sad but true..

i would be fine if i lost just 1mph on lowend, but any more then that and its just not worth it here.....
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Ideal quiver...

Postby enoshima5 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:47 pm

Is Alex saying a 14m HP will have better low end than a 15m Waroo? I have a 07 15m Waroo: this kite packs incredible power. I can ride it when there is just enough wind to fly it, but when the wind picks up it breaks my ribs (literally: I used a Da Kine Tabu and twice ended up with broken ribs. I have to use a fusion harness with that kite to spread the load.

Talking about quiver, it's unrealistic to expect taking 5 kites on a airliner. So for the guys who travel by plane and are not too sure about the wind condition they will meet, what is the ideal quiver (mixing Waroos and HP)?

I currently fly with a 9m and 15m waroo. That covers light wind to hurricane, and while I am missing the soft spot in the middle, I can ride through it by being slightly underpowered on the 9 or overpowered on the 15.

My thoughts for 08 would be a 14m HP (you list the same low-end as the Waroo 15) and a new Waroo 9m, because it packs more low-end than the HP 10m. I believe that if I bought the HP10m, I would need to get a 12m as well to bridge the gap with the low wind kite.

Any recommendation? (I know: I asked Best whether I should get 3 kites or only 2! What kind of question is that?).

Last, Best should be blessed for offering the optional ez-pump on the HP: it's not the money, it's just that this thing is more complication than I need.

And it's also great you offer even sizes for the HP: that gives us more options, especially to get a 12 which is an all-time favorite.

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Postby sq225917 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:27 pm

12-9 would cover me for pretty much anything
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Re: Ideal quiver...

Postby Alex @ Best » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:33 pm

I currently fly with a 9m and 15m waroo. That covers light wind to hurricane, and while I am missing the soft spot in the middle, I can ride through it by being slightly underpowered on the 9 or overpowered on the 15.

My thoughts for 08 would be a 14m HP (you list the same low-end as the Waroo 15) and a new Waroo 9m, because it packs more low-end than the HP 10m. I believe that if I bought the HP10m, I would need to get a 12m as well to bridge the gap with the low wind kite.


First of all, the 9m waroo has no where near the low end of the 10m Nemesis HP - the 10m Nemi kicks it by 3-5 knots easy...

If you ride a 9m and 15 waroo now, you could go 10 & 14m HP, but my recomendation would be to go 9m, 12 & 14m all HP's
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Postby enoshima5 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:53 am

Thanks Alex... Looking forward to trying those new HP.
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Postby enoshima5 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:54 am

Thanks Alex... Looking forward to trying those new HP.
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Postby 123456789 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:22 am

Alex- what kite is ur preference when underpowered riding a twintip in the surf- do u prefer grunt to get you going thru the slop or a fast flier?

also does having a 2 different materials on the leading edge create a possible weak point for seperation?
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Postby Alex @ Best » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:50 pm

Alex- what kite is ur preference when underpowered riding a twintip in the surf- do u prefer grunt to get you going thru the slop or a fast flier?

also does having a 2 different materials on the leading edge create a possible weak point for seperation?


the great thing about the Nemi is when underpowered, you can adjust the rear lines to give you a fast flyer (the AA or AB setting) or more grunt (AC or BC). I ride fast, so I prefer a fast flier.

To answer your second part, there isn't a stronger LE on the market. It's our 4th generation cuben LE and it's bomb proof.
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Postby sq225917 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:44 pm

Short answer, no, we've never had a single Cuben Le part company from the dacron tip section.
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Postby nobby » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:09 pm

so for alot of us keep the 16m 06 or invest in a nemi 14m? Bear in mind willl get a 12m nemi.
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Postby 123456789 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:40 am

saw this on kiteforum. havent pulled the trigger on an hp purchase yet- any comments best?

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2344149

"This is just a question regarding the Best Nemesis HP, not a complaint or bashing of this kite. The other day, a few of us were out riding, and our one friend who flies the HP came in to land his kite. He brought the kite down and it flipped over on to its trailing edge. When one of the guys grabbed the kite where the dacron meets the cuben fiber part of the leading edge, the kite ever so slightly "bent" and BOOM!!! It blew out where the stitching brings the dacron and cuben fiber together. I know that these kites are to be blown up pretty tight... 9-10psi, so is this just a weak point in the kite? It was not crazy windy, and when the kite was caught and getting flipped over, it was a total surprise that it blew out there. What are your thoughts? Any similar situations with other HP riders?"
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12 hp le

Postby pelzy1 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:58 pm

I to had the same problem with the le!! It sound like the exact circumstance. Went to flip the kite and POP !!! Luckily this was on the second last day of my holiday in Mexico, I would've been chocked if it happened at the beginning. Anyway it is being replaced.
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