Best/peter playing w/ the delta shape?

[amplatzer]

I would like to see best develop a "fun, advanced" kite a bit quicker, gruntier, simpler than the waroo, but not as high AR as the HP that might fill the niche desired for waves and wakestyle advanced riders who are less worried about boosting and more worried about kite at 45 and wave performance. Like an 05 Fuel that is more forgiving and better upwind...

Just wondering if you are talking about 2008 Waroo and Nemesis here? Have you ridden the 2009 stuff already?

I have only ridden the 08, not the 09. So grain of salt for sure.

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[Anabatic.co.nz]

For sure.
I had guys here who wanted exactly what your describing and they ruled out the 09-Nemesis (having ridden/owned 08 Nemi and Waroos themselves as high aspect). Opting instead for the 2009 Waroo with it's nearer C kite-ish shape compared to early Waroos. Having ordered the 09 Waroo I was surprised when their order changed to Nemesis 09.... turns out they rode another customers 09 Nemi and were super stoked... That Twister tech really works man.
So I'd say grab a ride on one and see for yourself.
So it sells itself.. and it does what your looking for.
But I still say try it , don't just take my word for it.

[mbigger]

Yeah...That freakin 2009 Nemi rocks! It is hard to believe you can be stoke on one sle for wakestyle and waveriding...it should be incompatible...shouldn't it? The freakin thing works. Try it!

Michael

[sq225917]

Maybe you missed it when it came out, or just haven't clicked on the page yet, but you really have to read the tech spec on Twister Tech and see the interview with Peter.

He's excelled himself this year, with Twister Tech and the new canopy shaping.

http://www.bestkiteboarding.com/TwisterTech

[purdyd]

nemi 2009 is a sweet kite

can't speak for wake style but it is pretty nice in waves - it turns fast, and you can control the power when you do turn - and it relaunches quickly

the kite jumps well, especially powered up and have you seen the 2009 HP video on the front page? watch what happens when they start to land and get that second boost

that's the smooth overpowered soft landing

because the kite turns so well with slack lines you can dial in your kite loops or down loops and if you are old like me - you really appreciate that

you want to do a forward spin kite downloop transition in 20 knots? make a small jump hesitate, push the bar out to arms length spin and pull on your front arm - eazy peazy.

try to do that with a 08 and you will pile drive it into the water

twister tech works

the kite goes up wind well, has great low end, great top end

if i were going to wakestyle unhook - i would want a slower turning kite and you know what? you can slow the kite down quite a bit with the rear attachment points

my advice is to go try one - it might be what you are thinking about

the delta kite with truncated tips sounds great to me also - i have in my house hold some lighter people who would definitely benefit from an easy to fly - relaunch in a gnats fart wind kite

now you also have a kite that you can go out in just about any wind and work on your between the legs handle pass or other fancy moves

throw in the option for a single line below the bar leash hook up that can be removed and you have the starter kite/never out grow kite

you don't have to boost to the moon, out race the sun, or do double kite loops

it does have to have a good feel at the bar with some feedback for kite position and not be so heavy you get tendinitis just looking at it, and should have good range with forgiving large sweet spot on the bar travel

you should have color coded kook proof connectors and a leash with a better quick release

it should be very reasonably priced - no cuben fiber and be easy to repair

just my thoughts .....

David

[amplatzer]

Yep. 10 and 12 coming soon. My wife has PTSD from being overpowered on Nemis 08, hence thought waroo or delta for smaller sizes, which happen to be what I ride in the waves... (: ...but if she digs the 10/12 then we might go 6/8 as well. Gotta love the shared quiver.

In my experience higher AR kites just don't work as well in the waves as they don't sit as deep in the window and are not as keen to turn with relatively slack lines, but the twister might make all that experience non-applicable as you specify. Happy to have one kite that I want to ride for everything.

In any case like PurdyD I think there is a place for the non-cuben, simple, smooth, fun delta kite with a large range of turning speeds as well, not worrying quite as much about low end, range, and boosting. More a mid AR C kite feel.

Whatever, at the end of the day you just want the kite to do what you want when you want it to, to get the most stoke possible. For wakestyle that is sit still and give you slack in the lines when you pop. For waves it is move like a nat, pinwheel simple, and sit deep in the power zone to turn when you want it. If you can have one kite that does that, mental, if not, build em both and let people choose.

Enough typing...

[sq225917]

I think we'll hit that spot...

Meanwhile over on kiteforum, my out of context quotes have stirred things up..

http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... a&start=60

[ETHANol]

The problem with the '09 Nemi HP is I've really disliked every previous Cuban kite. Maybe the '09 is finally the one, but every year people say how great the Cuban kites are and every year I wouldn't ride one if someone gave me one for free. They're too expensive as well and have crap resale value. If I'm willing to break the bank on a kite, there are a lot of great choices out there.

What's left the Yarga '08. It doesn't work period. End of story.

The Waroo '08 or '09. These are great free ride kites for 90% of the market, but I want something that performs better for wake and waves.

I have a a '08 Ouija but it's too heavy and and honestly behind the curve as far as boards go. It is price to quality ration is good but I want the best product at the best price.

The Yarga '07 was a good idea (a more friendly C-like kite) and ahead of the curve. It was just poorly executed. Convertible kites will always have too many compromises.

I'm a solid Best customer but you guys just don't have any products that interest me at this time.

All the best riders at my local beach were on Best a few years ago, now they're all on other kites except one guy.

I hope these Delta kites are something that I would like.

[amplatzer]

The Waroo '08 or '09. These are great free ride kites for 90% of the market, but I want something that performs better for wake and waves.

I hope these Delta kites are something that I would like.

Having not flown an HP09, again grain of salt.

I am of a similar view that a simpler, punchier, more C shaped, non-cuben, lower AR, price point, performance (wake/waves) oriented SLE would be sweet and would round out the Best SLE line for the 10% who were on the SLE/C kite border before,and might be good for 30-40% of folks on waroos/HPs now, hence a nice niche.

Stoked to try HP, and stoked to see what becomes of the"third" SLE Best makes.

[mbigger]

Ethanol,

I am glad you are doing yourself a favor by not trying an 09 HP.

Michael

[THEALOHAKID]

Does that mean mine will come quicker!!!!

[sq225917]

Yes, production volumes on the Cuben kites are always limited and we are always back ordered on them.

To give you an idea, i still haven't received my personal 09 HP's yet. I'm still riding some late version proto kite made back in JUNE.

Ethanol, i think you should try some of the deltas and tell us what you think of them.

last word from Steve Verelst who is testing with Peter is that it flys like the 'Dos' but has a lighter bar and goes upwind like stink.

Peter has been messing with a funky short bridle set up that gives and eliptical COE positioning as you depower, so it goes way back into the window as well without stalling.

[purdyd]

Peter has been messing with a funky short bridle set up that gives and eliptical COE positioning as you depower, so it goes way back into the window as well without stalling.

no you are talking - a kite you can pull back into the window to give grunt but can still fly out to the side when you want it

David

[yosh123b]

havent had too much experiance on the delta shape... just make sure the thing turns better then the 08 bandit.... that thing has to have the bar to your gut and REEFING on it to make that kite turn!!!
any slack in the lines and she's goin straight into the drink!!!

[mbigger]

Put the 2009 Yarga Protos' graphics on that puppy! Black and one fish on each side.

Michael